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【键盘侠】无欧文篮网9胜3负|阿杜复出日 欧文爆发时?

【键盘侠】无欧文篮网9胜3负|阿杜复出日 欧文爆发时?

The Nets are now 9-3 since Kyrie Irving went down including wins over the Nuggets and Celtics. They were 4-7 when he went down and are now 13-10.

自从欧文受伤缺阵以来,篮网取得了9胜3负的成绩,其中就包括对掘金和凯尔特人的胜利。而在欧文伤缺之前,篮网4胜7负,他们本赛季至今的战绩是13胜10负。

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[–]Nets Traaaaaaaaap 23 指標 1 天前

Are we going to do this after every game the Nets win?

篮网球迷:我们没赢一场你们都要搞一次这种讨论么?

[–]Celtics Lightingfast31 628 指標 1 天前

If he comes back and they start losing then there’s a problem.

如果欧文回来后篮网开始输球了,那问题就来咯

[–]Nets CamReddish 286 指標 1 天前

if he comes back and we start losing to bad teams then there is a problem

篮网球迷:如果他回来后我们开始输给烂队,那才是问题。

[–]76ers mcmastermind 18 指標 1 天前

I mean what do you think? He was on your team for years. Your team was better without him… Whooped our ass in that series without him.

76人球迷:凯蜜咋想的?他可是在你们那儿打了两年的。你们当时没他的时候更强啊……那轮系列赛你们没欧文的时候可是锤了我们的。

[–]Celtics KFBR392GoForGrubes 12 指標 16小時前

I absolutely feel much better about our team this year. I know Kyrie on paper is better than Kemba, but I would take Kemba over Kyrie any day of the week.

I could tell from the moment the ball was inbounded whether or not Kyrie was going to iso or get the team involved. And it just got depressing watching the ball just die so consistently. I’m just glad that our young guys didn’t pick up any shit habits. Our ball movement has been critical.

凯尔特人球迷:这个赛季我们没欧文我肯定是感觉好很多的。从纸面实力来讲,欧文比沃克强,这我知道,不过我更愿意要沃克。

你从欧文是选择单打还是让队友参与就知道了。常常看到死球状态真的是烦躁。幸亏我们这些年轻人没有沾染那种坏习惯,我们的转移球一直都是很关键的。

[–]Nets Kwilly462 723 指標 1 天前*

I’m "pro-Kyrie makes us better". I mean, his talent obviously brings our ceiling higher by a lot. That being said, this is feeling a little similar to the 17-18 Celtics rn.

篮网球迷:我是“欧文让我们变强”这种说法的支持者。我觉得吧,他的天赋明显让球队的上限提升了一大截。话虽如此,现在的感觉还是和17/18赛季的凯尔特人有点像。

[–]DirksSexyBratwurst 369 指標 1 天前

If a Dinwiddie and Kyrie beef happens this shit is scripted

要是丁威迪和欧文之间不和了,那真是熟悉的剧本。

[–][TOR] Pascal Siakam IThinkItMovedJerry 224 指標 1 天前*

Let’s be realistic. You guys had impressive wins over the Celtics and today against the nuggets. Other than that, you beat a lot of trash teams.

猛龙球迷:咱们也得实事求是吧。篮网赢凯尔特人和掘金的场面确实让人印象深刻,可是如此之外,他们这波9胜3负赢得很多都是鱼腩啊。

[–]Nets Kwilly462 20 指標 1 天前

Trust me, I know. But a W is a W, and remember, we don’t have LeVert either. So that’s even harder on us.

篮网球迷:这个我也知道,你信我。可赢球就是赢球,你得记住,我们也没勒维尔啊,所以我们还难些。

[–]Celtics mahcus36 32 指標 1 天前

The same was said when we were winning games without Kyrie. Everyone said it was just a bunch of easy opponents.

凯尔特人球迷:当初我们没欧文赢球的时候也有那种说法。人人都说我们的对手都是些好欺负的。

[–]Dirks SexyBratwurst 12 指標 1 天前

Beating every trash team is what separates the good teams from the bad teams

只有次次虐菜队才能将强队与烂队区分开来。

[–]Celtics Friend72 56 指標 1 天前

You know a team is good when people complain about their strength of schedule

凯尔特人球迷:如果有人开始抱怨你们的赛程强度,那你就该知道,你的球队很有实力。

[–]Nets LinuxUbuntuOS 157 指標 1 天前

We weren’t beating trash teams at the beginning of the season though..

篮网球迷:而且我们在赛季初也没击败那些菜队啊……

[–]Nets CamReddish 47 指標 1 天前

what? yes we were, we just didn’t play many of them, we lost 1 game due to a Jae Crowder insane buzzer beater and to the Pistons, we beat the Knicks, Blazers and Pelicans during that opening stretch, I remember looking at the predicted starting records for sos and we did exactly as predicted.

篮网球迷:说啥呢?我们当然击败过啊,只是我们没碰上那么多鱼腩而已。赛季首战我们因为克劳德那个丧心病狂的绝杀输给了灰熊,还输给过活塞,不过开局那一波我们也击败了尼克斯、开拓者和鹈鹕,记得当时我们的表现还是完全符合预期的。

[–]Raptors youfuckingfish 15 指標 1 天前

You guys got a brand new starting guard and centre, it takes some time for things to click

猛龙球迷:你们签来了新的首发后卫和中锋,自然得花些时间磨合。

[–]Mavericks IOwnYourData 35 指標 1 天前

Sample size is also pretty small. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.

独行侠球迷:而且这个样本也很小。倒不如看看赛季余下比赛的表现会怎样。

[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown OrangeKookie 38 指標 1 天前

for the nets the sample size is small

the sample size of the 2018 and 2019 celtics and 2020 nets is about 50 games now

凯尔特人球迷:放在篮网来说,样本是很小。

可你要拿17/18赛季、18/19赛季的凯尔特人,再加上这赛季的篮网,那差不多有50场了。

[–]jaysphan128 20 指標 1 天前

i think the nets are much better on defense without him tbh

讲真,我觉得没有欧文的时候篮网的防守好太多。

[–]Mavericks itdoesmatterdoesntit 35 指標 1 天前

Offense, too. They’re not all standing around watching Kyrie try to shake opponents for 10 seconds.

独行侠球迷:进攻也是啊。他们再也不是看着欧文一个人嗨,自己就在那儿站着和对手握手10秒钟了。

[–]singularity737 19 指標 1 天前

What an idiotic statement. Nets were a top 5 offense with Kyrie healthy, it’s dropped off a cliff without him

多么脑残的说法。欧文在的时候篮网的进攻是联盟前五的,没他之后下滑很多。

[–]Nets TheRealCheddarBob 19 指標 1 天前

We scored way more points when Kyrie was playing

篮网球迷:欧文能打的时候我们的得分要高很多。

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[–]Mavericks IOwnYourData 1886 指標 1 天前

Irving is an enigma to me. He’s so good, but his teams often do better without him.

独行侠球迷:欧文让我很是费解啊。他这么厉害,可是他的球队没他的时候常常反而表现更好。

[–]NBA YourMajesty90 59 指標 1 天前

Playing with LeBron was literally the perfect scenario for him both from a basketball and PR perspective.

从篮球和个人对外形象角度来说,在詹姆斯身边打球还真是欧文的完美境遇。

[–]okamiuwu_ 1150 指標 1 天前

as the #1 guy he’s not ideal. but he’s one of the best 2nd bananas ever

作为一把手,他是不理想的,不过他算得上是史上最强二当家之一。

[–]billcosbyfanpage 571 指標 1 天前

The problem is when Lebron came out the Cavs would completely fall apart even with Irving on the floor.

问题是当初要是詹姆斯不在,即便欧文在场,那支骑士也会彻底土崩瓦解。

[–]Clippers rhythmicjoy 304 指標 1 天前

I feel that has a lot to do with a stylistic change of play when lebron is on/off its hard for a team to master multiple styles.

快船球迷:我感觉这个与老詹在或不在的打法风格改变有很大关系,毕竟一支球队很难纯熟应用几套打法。

[–]Heat Tamaskans 13 指標 22小時前

Yet for some strange reason, the Cavs didn’t collapse when Irving/Love were off and Lebron was in. Hmm.

热火球迷:可也不知为啥,欧文、乐福不在而老詹打的时候,那支骑士就不会崩啊,嗯……

[–]Trail Blazers irelli 93 指標 1 天前

Style is kinda the same. Kyrie Iso or Lebron PnR. Most of the guys are just spotting up

开拓者球迷:那支骑士的风格其实基本一样啊,不都是欧文单打或者老詹挡拆嘛。其他人大部分都只是定点等球。

[–]Raptors derozansmole 318 指標 1 天前

That’s not the same. Kyrie’s play does not lift up the role players in the same way. LeBron could get his whenever he wanted which opened up all the shooting. Kyrie was just dribbling around trying to score first and foremost.

猛龙球迷:那可不一样。欧文的打法不能像老詹那样提升那些角色球员的作用。而詹姆斯只要愿意就可以,这就能让球队投开。欧文就是控球,个人得分至上。

[–]Celtics baseketball 169 指標 1 天前

People forget how bad the Cavs were before LeBron came back. Kyrie simply isn’t good enough to carry a team.

凯尔特人球迷:很多人都忘了詹姆斯回归之前的骑士是有多么菜。欧文是很强,可他就是没强到可以独自带队的地步。

[–]Nets CamReddish 38 指標 1 天前

uhm, thats because only LeBron could have carried that team before he came back lol, all the good players left when LeBron left for Miami, the best remaining player was Dion Waiters.

I wouldn’t say thats a good example of Kyrie not being able to carry a team.

篮网球迷:呃,那是因为老詹回归之前只有他自己可以扛起那支队啊,他去热火之后骑士那些好球员都走了。剩下的最强的也就是维特斯了。

我觉得你借此来说欧文不能独自带队有点牵强吧。

[–]Mavericks piratagitano 28 指標 1 天前

There were few good players before LB left to Miami. Kyrie is a good 2nd option as long as he doesn’t get crazy but will never be a top dog.

独行侠球迷:老詹去热火之前那支骑士的好球员就不多。欧文不抽风的话,就是个很强的第二得分点,不过他当不了头牌。

[–]scam3ron01 82 指標 1 天前

It’s because he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and while he is brilliant with the ball in his hands, it kills all ball movement and flow and it makes his teammates unable to get in rhythm

那是因为他需要有球在手才能打得高效,可那样一来,转移球和流畅性就没了,队友也没法进入节奏。

[–]Professor Petrus 27 指標 1 天前

I disagree. Nash also needed the ball and so does harden, however when those two dribble, unlike uncle drew, they keep their head up always looking for the pass. I love kyries handles but when i picture him driblling he is head down double tapping to the rim.

我不同意。纳什和哈登也是那种占球权的人啊,可是这俩带球的时候不像欧文,他们会一直抬头寻找传球机会。我爱欧文,可是我一想到他带球,他就是闷头带眼里只有篮筐。

[–]Warriors eggzecutor 37 指標 1 天前

Not sure what you disagreeing with cuz u said it yourself. Maybe im a hater but we’ve seen enough evidence that kyrie is not a winning player. He has only had success playing with the greatest player of this generation because lebron ran the offense. Every other team he has played for kyrie has not helped them to win.

勇士球迷:不知道楼上的是在反对啥,因为你在自证其说啊。或许我是个喷子,可是已经有足够的证据表明欧文不是个胜利型球员。他唯一的成功是在这代人里最伟大的那个球员身边取得的,因为老詹能掌控进攻。至于在其他球队,他还没有提供足够可以取得成绩的贡献。

[–]See YouSpaceCowboy0 42 指標 1 天前

So it’s good they have KD for next season for their main banana, like regardless of how far they get this season it’s all basically a warm-up for when he gets back. If Kyrie somehow costs them games when KD is back in the lineup, then that’s a problem

所以好在篮网下赛季有阿杜做一把手啊,且不管他们这赛季能打成啥样,基本就是为阿杜回归热身。要是阿杜回来之后还能因为欧文的存在而输球,那就是个麻烦了。

[–]Celtics CornDogMillionaire 27 指標 1 天前

That’s assuming KD is able to come back at a #1 option level straight away. A year out of Basketball is a long time, look at how long it took Hayward to get back into the swing of things

凯尔特人球迷:那前提也得是阿杜回来后能立马展现出第一得分点的水准啊。一年不打篮球还是很久的,看看海沃德花了多久才找到感觉就知道了。

【键盘侠】无欧文篮网9胜3负|阿杜复出日 欧文爆发时?

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[–]AlHorfordHighlights 18 指標 1 天前

It gets easier to understand if you choose to believe he makes teams worse. I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to say that.

你要是相信欧文让球队更糟的话,那就好理解多了。我就不明白了,为啥有些人还是不愿意承认这一点呢。

[–]Nuggets BrokenDusk 41 指標 1 天前

yeah lol look at Boston going to Eastern Conference finals without him then sucking ass next season.He makes team worse

掘金球迷:是啊,哈哈哈,看看波士顿,没欧文的时候打进东决,他回来之后第二个赛季就嗝屁。他确实会拉低球队的水平。

[–]runthepoint1 33 指標 1 天前

He’s an incredible secondary scorer. Could be if he would the greatest microwave bench scorer ever, that’s really what his game ultimately is

欧文是个出色的第二得分手。要是可以的话,他能成为史上最强的即用型替补,这才是他的终极归宿。

[–]Raptors Rebooted23 18 指標 1 天前

He could be Lou Williams on steroids if he took a 6th man role but we all know that’s never going to happen. Kyrie would cook other teams benches so badly.

That could be said about a lot of high-profile scorers but most of those other players teams play winning basketball with them as a starter.

猛龙球迷:要是他能接受第六人角色的话,他可以成为升级版路威,不过咱都知道,这个不现实。不过欧文打替补的话还真能把对手的板凳球员碾压。

很多高水准得分手也适合这种安排,不过大多数想有所作为的球队都会拿这种球员打首发。

[–]Lakers asdfjkl12889 83 指標 1 天前

Wait what? Making a top 20 player come off the bench would make him in an incredible 6th man? Are you sure?

湖人球迷:啥?你让一个前20的球员打替补就为了让他做一个顶级第六人?确定吗?

[–]Nets squareheadhk 21 指標 1 天前

I kinda get his point, he plays an iso-heavy style that involves just beating defenders one on one to score on 4 possessions in a row. Regardless of him being a top 15 player his playstyle is just a natural fit to plug in off a bench or to take over when the playbook stops working.

篮网球迷:我有点能理解那人的意思,欧文的风格很注重单打,可以连着几个回合一对一干掉防守人。且不说他前15的实力,他的打法确实和替补很搭,常规套路不管用时他可以接管比赛。

[–]Extremely Motivated1 31 指標 1 天前

He needs a team built for him like the Rockets. The Rockets will still go all out, even though Harden is ball hogging at historic levels. Kyrie doesn’t ball dominate anywhere close to Harden’s level, but his teammates don’t give the same effort, because they don’t feel included.

The Celtic’s, in Kyrie’s first year, played hard as nails defense, even though nobody on the team averaged more than 15ppg. His last year, the defensive effort was nowhere close to the same, as the young guys weren’t interested in being role players in the Kyrie show.

欧文需要去一支像火箭那样为某个球星打造球队的队伍。哈登都那么黏球了,火箭还是打得可以。欧文远远没有哈登那么需要球权,可是他的队友却没有火箭球员肯卖力,因为他们没有参与感。

欧文效力凯尔特人的第一个赛季,他的队友还是卖力防守的,虽说那支球队没人均分超过15。他在凯尔特人的第二个赛季,队友们的防守就差了很多,因为那些年轻人不愿意给欧文当绿叶。

[–]Wizards Bandwagon ClickClackKobeShaq 28 指標 1 天前

Yeah I don’t think so. He needs a team that would put him in a scoring role that wouldn’t ask too much of him as a facilitator.

A team like the Rockets where he would take Hardens role as the main ball handler wouldn’t end well.

Bucks or Sixers would’ve be nice fits but he wanted to play with Durant for some reason.

奇才球迷:我不这么看。欧文需要去的是一支需要他得分的球队,而且对他的组织角色不能要求过多。

他去火箭这种队扮演哈登这种主要控球者角色的话,不会有好结果的。

雄鹿或者76人应该会很适合他,可是他却想和阿杜一起打球。

[–]Domb18 8 指標 1 天前

Kyrie going to be fire when KD is back imo. Nets fans may have to put up with an inconsistent season first, but when he’s playing #2 to KD, with Levert as the 3rd option, they’ll be really good.

我觉得阿杜复出之后欧文会爆发的。网蜜或许先得忍受这个不稳定的赛季,不过等到阿杜回来,欧文打辅助,勒维尔做第三选择,那时候的篮网会很强的。

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[–]76ers HarlemJazz 349 指標 1 天前

and the Celtics are MUCH better with Kemba instead of Kyrie.

76人球迷:没了欧文之后,有沃克的凯尔特人要好很多啊

[–]Spurs redditor6845 133 指標 1 天前

well we’ve also seen complete turnarounds from jaylen brown and jayson tatum. you could argue part of that’s because of kemba but a lot of it has been the better decisions from tatum and brown playing like a third overall pick

马刺球迷:而且布朗和塔图姆也完全是变了个样。你可以说部分原因在于沃克,不过主要还在于塔图姆和布朗打得更像个探花秀了。

[–]AllahgiveadminsAIDS 112 指標 1 天前

It’s because of Kyrie being gone and they feel like they can have the ball in their hands without Kyrie getting salty

那是因为欧文走了,他俩觉得可以自己拿球了。

[–]Spurs Llordric26 86 指標 1 天前

It’s true and some of the games I watched with the current celtics they’re just sharing the wealth while being ridiculously gifted scorers and it’s fun to watch

马刺球迷:确实,现在这支凯尔特人的有些比赛我看了,这些天赋异禀的得分手很乐于分享球,看着很爽。

[–]Nets porkchop8920 17 指標 1 天前

The Celtics as a team average fewer passes per game than last year

篮网球迷:可是这支凯尔特人的场均传球还不如上赛季。

[–][BOS] Paul Pierce EpeeHS 68 指標 1 天前

Based off of the eye test, theres two reasons for this:

1) we’re scoring much more efficiently and much more often on the fast break

2) we arent over passing. Last year we would pass the ball on the perimeter until somebody eventually took a contested three. This year our passes are to actually get somebody open instead of just passing for the sake of it.

凯尔特人球迷:就肉眼观察来说,原因有两点:

1、我们的得分效率提升了很多,而且快攻也多了不少。

2、我们不会过分强调传球。上赛季我们会在外线一直传导,最后由某个球员在对抗下出手三分。这赛季我们传球是为了发现空位,而不是为了传球而传球。

[–]Nets Will_Smiths_Cousin 59 指標 1 天前

Theo Pinson > Kyrie Irving according to these nephews.

篮网球迷:根据这帮小学生的说法,平森比欧文还厉害咯

[–]Nets Expulsure 267 指標 1 天前

you guys can say whatever you want, but without Kyrie/LeVert, we have to play THEO PINSON AND DZANAN MUSA. Look up their stats this season and you will see that we need LeVert/Kyrie back lmao

篮网球迷:你们想咋说咋说,可是没了欧文和勒维尔之后,我们不得不用平森和穆萨。你看看他们这赛季的数据,就能明白我们是多么需要欧文和勒维尔了,哈哈哈

[–][BKN] Josh Boone ItsThePeopleCourt 42 指標 1 天前

This is the biggest thing at the moment. Theo sucks!

Pinson is currently at 26.7/19.5/91.7 shooting splits on the season

篮网球迷:这是眼下最头疼的!平森个菜鸡啊!他这赛季的三项命中率分别是26.7%、19.5%和91.7%。

[–]Nets jetopia 84 指標 1 天前

Lol it doesn’t fit the kyrie hate / narrative. Theo Pinson is so bad, other teams automatically go on runs when he is on. Our offense stalls and is complete shit.

篮网球迷:哈哈哈,你这就不符合欧黑的说法了。平森是真的烂,他在场的时候对手可以自动发起得分潮。而我们的进攻会停滞,彻底屎化。

[–]Nets jetopia 44 指標 1 天前

Nets are 13-10 with Theo Pinson on the roster. He is a better player than Trae Young since the Hawks are only 5-17.

The Kyrie hate is unreal.

篮网球迷:平森在的时候我网13胜10负哦。是不是可以说他比吹羊还厉害呢,毕竟老鹰现在才5胜17负。

那些黑欧文的真是脸都不要了!

[–]Nets YoungJudge 22 指標 1 天前

Our defense before Shumpert came was the worst defense I’ve ever seen in my life. Now it’s just a bad defense. Before, it was awful.

篮网球迷:香波特来之前我们的防守是我这辈子见过最菜的。现在的防守嘛,就是差而已。以前那是稀烂。

[–]Nets grand_insom 167 指標 1 天前

Pretty sad that instead of giving credit to Kenny Atkinson and Spencer Dinwiddie for these wins – we just get a bunch of people who haven’t watched more than 1 Net game using it as a chance to shit on Kyrie.

篮网球迷:让我很难受的是,你们居然不把这波赢球归功于阿特金森和丁威迪……一帮看我们比赛不超过一场的人就想借着这个机会喷欧文。

[–][BOS] Jayson Tatum emasterman 61 指標 1 天前

Not saying Kyrie is gonna ruin the Nets, but it’s pretty comical how nets fans sound exactly like Cs fans did last season. I was saying all of the same shit a year ago.

凯尔特人球迷:我倒不是说欧文会毁了篮网啊,不过呢,网蜜现在的说辞和我们凯蜜上赛季一模一样,看着挺滑稽的。你们说的这些我一年前都说过了。

[–]Lakers Trumppered 30 指標 1 天前

Yeah like I think it’s a bit premature to think Kyrie is actually a negative for the nets.

But I also think it’s pretty fucking naive to look at what’s currently happening with the nets, and just pretend like the past 2 years of Kyrie-Celtics never happened…

湖人球迷:是啊,我觉得那些说欧文在篮网发挥负面作用的人有点幼稚。

可是呢,你看看现在的篮网,然后还装作欧文和凯尔特人之间过去两年啥事也没有的话,那特么就是天真了。

[–]Nets banana455 18 指標 1 天前

Nobody talks about the LeVert injury. Kyrie was shooting a lot but he was still playing really well. LeVert was playing like booty and was kind of a black hole on the court, with super high usage. Offense has looked more fluid without him.

篮网球迷:没人说勒维尔的伤病。欧文之前的出手的确很多,可是他打得还是蛮好的。勒维尔之前打不好,有点像是功放黑洞,而且使用率超高。没了勒维尔之后我们的进攻要更加流畅。

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