The Nets are now 9-3 since Kyrie Irving went down including wins over the Nuggets and Celtics. They were 4-7 when he went down and are now 13-10.
[–]Nets Traaaaaaaaap 23 指標 1 天前
Are we going to do this after every game the Nets win?
[–]Celtics Lightingfast31 628 指標 1 天前
If he comes back and they start losing then there’s a problem.
[–]Nets CamReddish 286 指標 1 天前
if he comes back and we start losing to bad teams then there is a problem
[–]76ers mcmastermind 18 指標 1 天前
I mean what do you think? He was on your team for years. Your team was better without him… Whooped our ass in that series without him.
[–]Celtics KFBR392GoForGrubes 12 指標 16小時前
I absolutely feel much better about our team this year. I know Kyrie on paper is better than Kemba, but I would take Kemba over Kyrie any day of the week.
I could tell from the moment the ball was inbounded whether or not Kyrie was going to iso or get the team involved. And it just got depressing watching the ball just die so consistently. I’m just glad that our young guys didn’t pick up any shit habits. Our ball movement has been critical.
[–]Nets Kwilly462 723 指標 1 天前*
I’m "pro-Kyrie makes us better". I mean, his talent obviously brings our ceiling higher by a lot. That being said, this is feeling a little similar to the 17-18 Celtics rn.
[–]DirksSexyBratwurst 369 指標 1 天前
If a Dinwiddie and Kyrie beef happens this shit is scripted
[–][TOR] Pascal Siakam IThinkItMovedJerry 224 指標 1 天前*
Let’s be realistic. You guys had impressive wins over the Celtics and today against the nuggets. Other than that, you beat a lot of trash teams.
[–]Nets Kwilly462 20 指標 1 天前
Trust me, I know. But a W is a W, and remember, we don’t have LeVert either. So that’s even harder on us.
[–]Celtics mahcus36 32 指標 1 天前
The same was said when we were winning games without Kyrie. Everyone said it was just a bunch of easy opponents.
[–]Dirks SexyBratwurst 12 指標 1 天前
Beating every trash team is what separates the good teams from the bad teams
[–]Celtics Friend72 56 指標 1 天前
You know a team is good when people complain about their strength of schedule
[–]Nets LinuxUbuntuOS 157 指標 1 天前
We weren’t beating trash teams at the beginning of the season though..
[–]Nets CamReddish 47 指標 1 天前
what? yes we were, we just didn’t play many of them, we lost 1 game due to a Jae Crowder insane buzzer beater and to the Pistons, we beat the Knicks, Blazers and Pelicans during that opening stretch, I remember looking at the predicted starting records for sos and we did exactly as predicted.
[–]Raptors youfuckingfish 15 指標 1 天前
You guys got a brand new starting guard and centre, it takes some time for things to click
[–]Mavericks IOwnYourData 35 指標 1 天前
Sample size is also pretty small. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.
[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown OrangeKookie 38 指標 1 天前
for the nets the sample size is small
the sample size of the 2018 and 2019 celtics and 2020 nets is about 50 games now
[–]jaysphan128 20 指標 1 天前
i think the nets are much better on defense without him tbh
[–]Mavericks itdoesmatterdoesntit 35 指標 1 天前
Offense, too. They’re not all standing around watching Kyrie try to shake opponents for 10 seconds.
[–]singularity737 19 指標 1 天前
What an idiotic statement. Nets were a top 5 offense with Kyrie healthy, it’s dropped off a cliff without him
[–]Nets TheRealCheddarBob 19 指標 1 天前
We scored way more points when Kyrie was playing
[–]Mavericks IOwnYourData 1886 指標 1 天前
Irving is an enigma to me. He’s so good, but his teams often do better without him.
[–]NBA YourMajesty90 59 指標 1 天前
Playing with LeBron was literally the perfect scenario for him both from a basketball and PR perspective.
[–]okamiuwu_ 1150 指標 1 天前
as the #1 guy he’s not ideal. but he’s one of the best 2nd bananas ever
[–]billcosbyfanpage 571 指標 1 天前
The problem is when Lebron came out the Cavs would completely fall apart even with Irving on the floor.
[–]Clippers rhythmicjoy 304 指標 1 天前
I feel that has a lot to do with a stylistic change of play when lebron is on/off its hard for a team to master multiple styles.
[–]Heat Tamaskans 13 指標 22小時前
Yet for some strange reason, the Cavs didn’t collapse when Irving/Love were off and Lebron was in. Hmm.
[–]Trail Blazers irelli 93 指標 1 天前
Style is kinda the same. Kyrie Iso or Lebron PnR. Most of the guys are just spotting up
[–]Raptors derozansmole 318 指標 1 天前
That’s not the same. Kyrie’s play does not lift up the role players in the same way. LeBron could get his whenever he wanted which opened up all the shooting. Kyrie was just dribbling around trying to score first and foremost.
[–]Celtics baseketball 169 指標 1 天前
People forget how bad the Cavs were before LeBron came back. Kyrie simply isn’t good enough to carry a team.
[–]Nets CamReddish 38 指標 1 天前
uhm, thats because only LeBron could have carried that team before he came back lol, all the good players left when LeBron left for Miami, the best remaining player was Dion Waiters.
I wouldn’t say thats a good example of Kyrie not being able to carry a team.
[–]Mavericks piratagitano 28 指標 1 天前
There were few good players before LB left to Miami. Kyrie is a good 2nd option as long as he doesn’t get crazy but will never be a top dog.
[–]scam3ron01 82 指標 1 天前
It’s because he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and while he is brilliant with the ball in his hands, it kills all ball movement and flow and it makes his teammates unable to get in rhythm
[–]Professor Petrus 27 指標 1 天前
I disagree. Nash also needed the ball and so does harden, however when those two dribble, unlike uncle drew, they keep their head up always looking for the pass. I love kyries handles but when i picture him driblling he is head down double tapping to the rim.
[–]Warriors eggzecutor 37 指標 1 天前
Not sure what you disagreeing with cuz u said it yourself. Maybe im a hater but we’ve seen enough evidence that kyrie is not a winning player. He has only had success playing with the greatest player of this generation because lebron ran the offense. Every other team he has played for kyrie has not helped them to win.
[–]See YouSpaceCowboy0 42 指標 1 天前
So it’s good they have KD for next season for their main banana, like regardless of how far they get this season it’s all basically a warm-up for when he gets back. If Kyrie somehow costs them games when KD is back in the lineup, then that’s a problem
[–]Celtics CornDogMillionaire 27 指標 1 天前
That’s assuming KD is able to come back at a #1 option level straight away. A year out of Basketball is a long time, look at how long it took Hayward to get back into the swing of things
[–]AlHorfordHighlights 18 指標 1 天前
It gets easier to understand if you choose to believe he makes teams worse. I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to say that.
[–]Nuggets BrokenDusk 41 指標 1 天前
yeah lol look at Boston going to Eastern Conference finals without him then sucking ass next season.He makes team worse
[–]runthepoint1 33 指標 1 天前
He’s an incredible secondary scorer. Could be if he would the greatest microwave bench scorer ever, that’s really what his game ultimately is
[–]Raptors Rebooted23 18 指標 1 天前
He could be Lou Williams on steroids if he took a 6th man role but we all know that’s never going to happen. Kyrie would cook other teams benches so badly.
That could be said about a lot of high-profile scorers but most of those other players teams play winning basketball with them as a starter.
[–]Lakers asdfjkl12889 83 指標 1 天前
Wait what? Making a top 20 player come off the bench would make him in an incredible 6th man? Are you sure?
[–]Nets squareheadhk 21 指標 1 天前
I kinda get his point, he plays an iso-heavy style that involves just beating defenders one on one to score on 4 possessions in a row. Regardless of him being a top 15 player his playstyle is just a natural fit to plug in off a bench or to take over when the playbook stops working.
[–]Extremely Motivated1 31 指標 1 天前
He needs a team built for him like the Rockets. The Rockets will still go all out, even though Harden is ball hogging at historic levels. Kyrie doesn’t ball dominate anywhere close to Harden’s level, but his teammates don’t give the same effort, because they don’t feel included.
The Celtic’s, in Kyrie’s first year, played hard as nails defense, even though nobody on the team averaged more than 15ppg. His last year, the defensive effort was nowhere close to the same, as the young guys weren’t interested in being role players in the Kyrie show.
[–]Wizards Bandwagon ClickClackKobeShaq 28 指標 1 天前
Yeah I don’t think so. He needs a team that would put him in a scoring role that wouldn’t ask too much of him as a facilitator.
A team like the Rockets where he would take Hardens role as the main ball handler wouldn’t end well.
Bucks or Sixers would’ve be nice fits but he wanted to play with Durant for some reason.
[–]Domb18 8 指標 1 天前
Kyrie going to be fire when KD is back imo. Nets fans may have to put up with an inconsistent season first, but when he’s playing #2 to KD, with Levert as the 3rd option, they’ll be really good.
[–]76ers HarlemJazz 349 指標 1 天前
and the Celtics are MUCH better with Kemba instead of Kyrie.
[–]Spurs redditor6845 133 指標 1 天前
well we’ve also seen complete turnarounds from jaylen brown and jayson tatum. you could argue part of that’s because of kemba but a lot of it has been the better decisions from tatum and brown playing like a third overall pick
[–]AllahgiveadminsAIDS 112 指標 1 天前
It’s because of Kyrie being gone and they feel like they can have the ball in their hands without Kyrie getting salty
[–]Spurs Llordric26 86 指標 1 天前
It’s true and some of the games I watched with the current celtics they’re just sharing the wealth while being ridiculously gifted scorers and it’s fun to watch
[–]Nets porkchop8920 17 指標 1 天前
The Celtics as a team average fewer passes per game than last year
[–][BOS] Paul Pierce EpeeHS 68 指標 1 天前
Based off of the eye test, theres two reasons for this:
1) we’re scoring much more efficiently and much more often on the fast break
2) we arent over passing. Last year we would pass the ball on the perimeter until somebody eventually took a contested three. This year our passes are to actually get somebody open instead of just passing for the sake of it.
[–]Nets Will_Smiths_Cousin 59 指標 1 天前
Theo Pinson > Kyrie Irving according to these nephews.
[–]Nets Expulsure 267 指標 1 天前
you guys can say whatever you want, but without Kyrie/LeVert, we have to play THEO PINSON AND DZANAN MUSA. Look up their stats this season and you will see that we need LeVert/Kyrie back lmao
[–][BKN] Josh Boone ItsThePeopleCourt 42 指標 1 天前
This is the biggest thing at the moment. Theo sucks!
Pinson is currently at 26.7/19.5/91.7 shooting splits on the season
[–]Nets jetopia 84 指標 1 天前
Lol it doesn’t fit the kyrie hate / narrative. Theo Pinson is so bad, other teams automatically go on runs when he is on. Our offense stalls and is complete shit.
[–]Nets jetopia 44 指標 1 天前
Nets are 13-10 with Theo Pinson on the roster. He is a better player than Trae Young since the Hawks are only 5-17.
The Kyrie hate is unreal.
[–]Nets YoungJudge 22 指標 1 天前
Our defense before Shumpert came was the worst defense I’ve ever seen in my life. Now it’s just a bad defense. Before, it was awful.
[–]Nets grand_insom 167 指標 1 天前
Pretty sad that instead of giving credit to Kenny Atkinson and Spencer Dinwiddie for these wins – we just get a bunch of people who haven’t watched more than 1 Net game using it as a chance to shit on Kyrie.
[–][BOS] Jayson Tatum emasterman 61 指標 1 天前
Not saying Kyrie is gonna ruin the Nets, but it’s pretty comical how nets fans sound exactly like Cs fans did last season. I was saying all of the same shit a year ago.
[–]Lakers Trumppered 30 指標 1 天前
Yeah like I think it’s a bit premature to think Kyrie is actually a negative for the nets.
But I also think it’s pretty fucking naive to look at what’s currently happening with the nets, and just pretend like the past 2 years of Kyrie-Celtics never happened…
[–]Nets banana455 18 指標 1 天前
Nobody talks about the LeVert injury. Kyrie was shooting a lot but he was still playing really well. LeVert was playing like booty and was kind of a black hole on the court, with super high usage. Offense has looked more fluid without him.